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Marking severel items with "Ctrl" duplicates

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Hi!

If I mark two or more items with help of "Ctrl".
All items will be duplicated.
What is happening?

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It depends of what you are trying to do.

In Edit-mode you can copy objects with CTRL + drag-and-drop.

Maybe you have to explain a little more ...

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Hi,

This problem really needs clarification.


If I understand the problem correctly, you may need to enable these two options:

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Hi!

You'r right. My explanation was quite poor.
If I have a page with a number of items and I want to correct the position for some of them.
Perhaps put them in some lower position.
Then I usally mark all of those I want to correct with help of the Ctrl button.
And move them all together to a better position.
And suddenly I can't do this because insted I duplicate them.
Of course I can mark one of them and move to the right position. And then another one, and another one.
Its is the same for text blocks as well as images.

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After making the selection of multiple objects (text, images, shapes) you must make sure to not press the CTRL-key anymore.

Next, look for the small circle in the middle of square/rectangle selection, place the mouse-pointer onto that and then drag the selection to the desired location.

If you like to work more precisely, you can also use the cursor-keys (up/down/left/right) on your keyboard.
The nudging (number of pixels of displacement) can be set via File > Preferences > Measurement > Nudge-button.

I hope this helps.
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Thanks for the excellent input Willy.

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Hi Willy!

Thank you for your input.
But that's not the solution.

I have been using this way to move objekts 1000 times.
And suddenly it does not work.
You can see what happens in the attatched pdf.
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Hi nils-olof,

I'm afraid I'm not able to reproduce this issue. When I use CTRL to select multiple content items and then move them together, the behaviour is as expected, and there is no duplication. Could you please send the original version of the document that you posted in your most recent post, so that I can try testing with it?

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Hello all,

I can confirm this issue since the latest build.

When CTRL-selecting multiple things (i.e. base content) and then moving them, for example with the arrow keys, everything gets duplicated.
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OK Sean, here it is.
It's a very small and simple document.
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Hi nils-olof.

Thanks.

I can use CTRL to select multiple content items in this document and then move them as a group, with no issues.

Please note that you must be careful how you perform this operation. If you are holding down CTRL and have content selected that you subsequently drag with the mouse, it will duplicate. If you instead hold down CTRL and click (without dragging) to specify the selection of multiple content items, you can then move them as a group with the arrow keys - as expected.

This is not a bug but a feature that was added in version 9.5.365.0: "Added the ability to copy base content using Ctrl+Drag. (T# 5527)" as detailed in the version history:

https://www.pdf-xchange.com/produc ... or/history

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Hi Sean!

No, it does not work as intended.

Click no one
Pressing Ctrl
Click no two carfully.
Click no three carfully
Release Ctrl
And the group could not be moved with arrow keys
and not with dragging.
It duplicates insted.

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Hi nils-olof,

I'm afraid I can only reiterate my previous point, in that I am able to do this without difficulty in the document that you shared.

Assuming you don't have custom settings that you need to keep, could you please try going to File - Manage Settings - Reset Settings, then resetting all settings in PDF-XChange Editor and try again?

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David.P wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:00 pm I can confirm this issue since the latest build.

When CTRL-selecting multiple things (i.e. base content) and then moving them, for example with the arrow keys, everything gets duplicated.
I can confirm that this happens also with Nils-Olof's document "Framsida.pdf".

Key is selection of the bitmap image. As soon as the image is CTRL-selected (being as careful as possible in order to not move the mouse while clicking), the image already gets duplicated.
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Hi Sean!

No, it did help to reset settings.
Another occurrence is following.
If I catch = marking all items on a page by sweeping with the cursor.
Earlier I could "unmark" an item through holding down Ctrl and clicking on that particular item.
Now I can only do that with images.
I can not unmark text objekt with Ctrl - Click.

Is there a way to rollback the software to an earlier version?

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Hello all,

I can also reproduce the issue by following steps.
I have attached a verification video for your reference.
([MM:SS] "MM" shows minutes, and "SS" shows seconds.)

  • [00:05] Change to content edit mode.
    [00:07] Click on the left base content.
    [00:08] Ctrl-click on the right base content.
    [00:08] Release the Ctrl key.
    [00:08] Two base contents are now selected.
    [00:10] Drag the circle in the center of the selection to move the base contents to the bottom of the page. Note that if you use the arrow keys to move the content at this step, the issue will not occur. Be sure to move the content by dragging mouse.
    [00:11] Everything is working fine up to this point.
    [00:12] Click on the left base content to make it the only one selected.
    [00:14] Ctrl-click on the right base content. In the contents pane, you can see that an unintentional duplication has occurred at this step.
    [00:14] Release the Ctrl key.
    [00:14] Two base contents are now selected again.
    [00:16] If you drag the selected base contents or move them to the top of the page using the arrow keys, you will see more clearly that the base contents have been duplicated.
It seems that performing the steps from [00:05] to [00:11] in my verification procedure is the key to reproducing the issue. It is also important to run [00:11] and [00:12] in succession. For example, once you deselect between [00:11] and [00:12], the issue will not be reproduced.

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Re: Marking severel items with "Ctrl" duplicates

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Hi Rakunavi!

What an absolutly perfekt way to show the problem. :-)

Thank's / Nils-Olof
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Hi!

In this sample there are three items. See enclosed.
Try to move the text block and one image at the same time.
I can't anyway.

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Hi nils-olof,
nils-olof wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:40 am If I catch = marking all items on a page by sweeping with the cursor.
Earlier I could "unmark" an item through holding down Ctrl and clicking on that particular item.
Now I can only do that with images.
I can not unmark text objekt with Ctrl - Click.
Is the "Edit Text Elements as Blocks" option in the Edit menu enabled?
If this option is disabled, you should be able to select and deselect individual text elements by Ctrl-Click.
I don't think it is a bug about this.

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nils-olof wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:40 am Is there a way to rollback the software to an earlier version?
You can download the past several builds from your account page. The oldest version currently available for download is build 358. Since the issue you noted at the beginning of this topic started with build 365, you can avoid the issue by downloading and installing build 364. Of course, you will have to put up with all the bugs that have been resolved since build 365.

nils-olof wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:26 pm In this sample there are three items. See enclosed.
Try to move the text block and one image at the same time.
As you can see from the Content pane, the "Enhanced Sample.pdf" consists of five images and one text. It doesn't seem appropriate as a sample to help Tracker support staff understand the issue you noted at the beginning of this topic.

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Hi Rakunavi!

Here is a pdf with 2 images and one text.
Can you click and ctrl-click on the text block and one image and move them?

Can you mark all three of them (by sweeping) and unmark the textblock?

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Hi nils-olof,
nils-olof wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:01 am Here is a pdf with 2 images and one text.
Can you click and ctrl-click on the text block and one image and move them?

Can you mark all three of them (by sweeping) and unmark the textblock?
I have tried the operation you describe, so please check the video to see if my understanding is correct.

I understand that "sweeping" means dragging the mouse. Is that understanding correct?

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Hi Rakunavi!

Yes, thats i absolutly correct.
But that does not work for me.
I have to search for the problem on my side.
Reset settings had no effekt.
I did unistall PDF-X and re installed. It did not help.
I changed keybord (clutching for straws) - no diffrens.
I could always move one item at a time.
Not so fun if it is 10 items to move.

Thank you very much for your assistans. Much appricted.

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Hi!

Now I have removed 9.5.366
And installed 9.4.364

And the problems vanished. :-)

Cheeres / Nils-Olof
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Hi Dimitar and Sean,
Dimitar - Tracker Supp wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:30 pm :)
Have you checked the verification procedure I described above?

Sean - Tracker wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:18 pm This is not a bug but a feature that was added in version 9.5.365.0: "Added the ability to copy base content using Ctrl+Drag. (T# 5527)" as detailed in the version history:

https://www.pdf-xchange.com/produc ... or/history
Would you still consider it not a bug?

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Hi all,

Now, I am also able to reproduce the problem.
The unwanted duplicates seem to happen with Text, Images and also with Shapes.
Check or un-check "Edit Text Elements as Blocks" does not seem to play a role.

Way to make it happen:
- go into Edit-mode (for preference select "All Content")
- click onto a text-object, or image-object, or shape-object (whatever), to select it
- move the object to another place
- while the moved object is still selected, do CTRL + click in the middle of the object (= on the tiny circle)
- you will see that the object gets duplicated (look in the Content-pane)

At my humble opinion this is a bug.

The copy or duplicate should only be made while the CTRL-key is pressed AND the object is being moved at that same time.
Only CTRL + click should not create a copy.

Kind regards.

Thanks @rakunavi for 'visualizing' the problem.
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HI guys,

reproduced and ticker raised: RT#6388: Marking severel items with "Ctrl" duplicates

As usual, it is for internal use only etc.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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Thank you Paul for creating the ticket.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who participated in the topic.

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Any update on a work around or toggle for this? would prefer to stop the duplication from happening
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Hello, michael.meyer

It seems that the fix for this is on its way. We were only able to fit in the changes for the duplication issue with comment selection into build 368, and the issue with base content selection, in specific documents, is still present. The dev team have confirmed for me that this will be resolved in the next release.

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Sounds good! Thanks for the update Daniel.
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Seems an good fix would be to change multiple selection to SHIFT-select, and leave CTRL-drag as a way to duplicate content only. Would also get away from the problem of accidentally un-selecting an item when intending to duplicate and drag a selected group. Would also be similar functionality to other software.
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Hello, Mathew

At the moment Shift+click is considered as an "exclusive mode" toggle function, so unfortunately its not something currently availabel for us to change or set as the button for that.

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