Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Forum for the PDF-XChange Editor - Free and Licensed Versions

Moderators: TrackerSupp-Daniel, Tracker Support, Paul - Tracker Supp, Vasyl-Tracker Dev Team, Chris - Tracker Supp, Sean - Tracker, Ivan - Tracker Software, Tracker Supp-Stefan

Post Reply
avada
User
Posts: 191
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:22 pm

Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by avada »

Hi!

Bookmarks are often repetitive with little to distinguish between them.
Either (or both) of these would be helpful with this. Numbering the bookmarks would be an easy way to distinguish between them.
Adding a page number would be rather helpfull to tell where it will navigate me in the document.
User avatar
PHK
User
Posts: 892
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:02 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by PHK »

I can see the benefit of this suggestion.

If the Bookmarks pane were structured a bit like the Links pane which shows Title, Page, and Action you could get there.
All best,

FringePhil
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

Hello, Avada and PHK

Thank you for the suggestion. I will forward this to our Dev team for consideration, but I cannot promise implementation at this time. In the meantime, you can utilize color coding and sorting to help distinguish your bookmarks a bit more easily:
image.png
image.png (13.79 KiB) Viewed 2506 times
Bookmark color can be specified by using the "properties" pane (Ctrl+~) after selecting a bookmark from the bookmarks pane.

Regarding your request, this ticket has been created to track it:
RT#5772: Add target page or continual numbering to bookmarks pane

Kind regards,
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

I would also love to have an option to add page numbers to the bookmarks! (I get that you are able to open the properties and see it that way, but it would save a lot of time to not have to do that). Sometimes I don't necessarily want to click on the page, sometimes I just want to know the page number, for extracting/printing particular chapters of a large PDF for example. :!:
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
David.P
User
Posts: 1510
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:16 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by David.P »

I agree that it would be often very useful to be able to see the page numbers associated with the bookmarks, of course as an option that could be switched on or off, similar for example to the display options for the comments pane:

image.png


This feature would be particularly amazing if the page numbers were formatted similarly to a classic table of contents as shown below, i.e. with a dotted line between the left-aligned bookmarks to the right-aligned page numbers!

image.png

Best regards
David
David.P
PDF-XChange Pro
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

Oh... never mind, I actually can't see the page number in the properties tab of the bookmark, which makes what David.P here is asking for that much more important, let me attach an image of a notetaking app on Android called Flexcil and show you how well it works there as another example: Just as in PDF-xchange you are able to collapse (hide) and show the subbookmarks, what we miss is just that number. Being able to see those page-numbers just makes a world of difference in also simply being able to gauge how long it will take to go through a specific part of the PDF.
Screenshot_20211213-112845_Gallery.jpg
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

Hello everyone,

The ticket here has been made, and accepted by the dev team, but that is as much as I can offer at this time. I am not able to provide a timeline for when this may be completed, but it does appear to be in the works.

Kind regards,
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
User avatar
PHK
User
Posts: 892
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:02 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by PHK »

Many thanks, Daniel! :)
All best,

FringePhil
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

:)
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

Is it in the works, still very much being missed here.
Adding page numbers to bookmarks would be a welcome addition to the powerful arsenal of tools PDF xchange editor is (as opposed to certain other PDF-readers ––– you know which ones I'm talking about)

I understand that it is hard to get a page number when a bookmark is referring to a vertical position, and not the page itself, but it shouldn't be that difficult to calculate what page it is based on that position should it? Loading this textbook PDF into Flexcil on android I got the bookmarks up like this hierarchical just like in PDF xchange, just with page numbers – also please add an optional line or dotted line like David suggested, I agree on that.
image.png
Now in PDF xchange the same bookmarks look like this (the bookmarks are premade from the publisher)
image1.png
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
Tracker Supp-Stefan
Site Admin
Posts: 17810
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:07 am
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan »

Hello MedBooster,

Thanks for adding your voice here and for the screenshot from that Android tool!
The ticket is still open for internal discussion, but as soon as a decision is made we will update here.

Please note that while bookmarks are mostly used for navigation within the file they come with, it is technically possible for a bookmark to be going a lot of other things (e.g. play a sound, point to another document etc.), so the bookmarks structure in a PDF file is not equivalent to a(n interactive/handy/always on the side) table of contents, but we will still consider this feature request!

Kind regards,
Stefan
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

I also wanted to add that an outline (range) overview with page numbers would also be welcome

Some PDF-viewers/readers have that
Meaning it is sort of like a bookmark, but one you can add for not just one page but a collection of pages.
So instead of
Topic A page 1
Topic B page 8
Topic C page 10
Topic D page 11

(if you added an "outline"(range) to each page you could get something like this
Topic A page 1-7
Topic B page 8-9
Topic C page 10 (since it is just one page)
Topic D page 11-19

Catch my drift?
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

(Maybe with an option to enable the section you are currently in (based on coordinates) to be highlighted/in bold too?)
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
Paul - Tracker Supp
Site Admin
Posts: 6829
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:37 pm
Location: Chemainus, Canada
Contact:

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by Paul - Tracker Supp »

Hi Medbooster,

I'm afraid this will happen when it does, it doesn't enjoy a high priority. I honestly do not expect it any time soon.

regards
Best regards

Paul O'Rorke
Tracker Support North America
http://www.tracker-software.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

Let me paint y'all another picture of when it would have been super useful with a bookmarks page number.

You're in a 500+ page PDF, and you have sorted it with regards to chapters,
now you're on a random page, see the page number, but you have no idea in what chapter you are in

(if the bookmarks, referencing the chapters, had page numbers you would be able to know this right away!)

It's a super useful feature...

But I guess in the meantime we could just add the page number in the file name manually.

I don't get why you don't seem so inclined to add an option for a bookmarks page number though,
I get the whole bookmarks referring to coordinates and not pages idea, but the coordinates of a bookmark are still within the perimeters of a page, of which it would have been really useful to have a page number visible ...
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

Hello, MedBooster

A low priority does not indicate a lack of inclination, it simply shows that there are other more pressing matters that are taking up the time of the developers who work with this specifcic area of the software. Not every developer can make changes to every part of the application. Because of this, you will notice that some items, for example changes to the 3D function which are indeed very taxing items, may have a higher priority than something seemingly simple. The case here is that the developer managing bookmarks is busy with other projects, while the dev focused on the 3D engine has time to dedicate to that task, but the 3D engine developer is not an expert on how to parse bookmark functions, so we cannot simply "shuffle" the priorities, it would not accomplish anything.

I think the biggest misunderstanding here is expeting that our teams are very much larger than they are. Our sales and support teams are only a small handful of people, and the developers do not have much in terms of numbers on us. Despite being a multi-national company with millions of clients, we have a very small amount of manpower, and honestly, cannot keep up with all the feature requests that come in, some items do need to be delayed or put on the backburner.

Paul, Stefan, Dimitar, Radi, and Myself are not developers. We do not make the decisions, we take what you provide us, either as bugs or feature requests, and bring it to the dev team in a more digestible way, listen to their concerns, reasons and the like, then bring them back to you and continue the discussion in their place, so that they can focus on bringing you more features faster. That does mean that when a feature has already been explicitly marked as low priority, we do sometimes need put it aside, and simply re-iterate that fact, instead of wasting more of the devs precious time.

We very much are the middle men, when a long term request like this is made, and the dev team tells us that it is a long term item, that is all we can work with, increasing the priority slowly as times goes on and more users show support until it either has been sitting long enough to get picked up, or enough people support it that it is an "overwhelmingly in demand" feature.

Kind regards,
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

image.png
after all, in the properties of bookmarks that are the "go to a page in the document"-type, you are able to see the page number-
All we want is an option to be able to see that number next to the bookmark name :)
For bookmarks that do something else than this you could just not show any number at all, right?
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
Tracker Supp-Stefan
Site Admin
Posts: 17810
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:07 am
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan »

Hello MedBooster,

When you are editing that specific type of action - indeed we can show the page this points to. But bookmarks are quite more versatile than being a mere "Table of contents" - and as such showing one bit of information in the bookmarks pane while not showing another could quickly lead to other bits being requested to be shown as well.
Admittedly - bookmarks are predominantly used as a table of contents - but they are more than that, and as such we have to carefully weight the request against the usability, create the ticket, and set a priority for it. And as discussed by Dan above - priorities are there for a reason. This request already has it's ticket - and will be addressed when time allows.

Kind regards,
Stefan
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

I see,
I guess I won't be spamming about this topic for a while now :=)

at least we currently have the page interval you are currently in seems to be automatically "highlighted" by an outline of the bookmark,
I think a lot of people are sorely waiting for this feature :)))

I'm so lost in my PDFs without bookmark page numbers. I guess I have to add them in the file name like previously mentioned till it's an actual feature.
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

:)
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

Any news on this ?
like I've already described even though a bookmark is more like an action "go to a page in the document" being one of many.. why not add an option to enable the page number after the bookmark name when it is of this specific type? After all, when you go into properties of the "go to a page in the document"-type bookmark you're able to see the page number


MedBooster wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:41 pm
image.png
after all, in the properties of bookmarks that are the "go to a page in the document"-type, you are able to see the page number-
All we want is an option to be able to see that number next to the bookmark name :)
For bookmarks that do something else than this you could just not show any number at all, right?
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
Tracker Supp-Stefan
Site Admin
Posts: 17810
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:07 am
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan »

Hello MedBooster,

I am afraid that there is still no movement on that ticket, past the point Daniel already mentioned above. It is a feature request one, and there are quite a few other higher priority items on the devs list - so we still can not give an estimate as to when this might be implemented.

Kind regards,
Stefan
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

It seems there is no page numbers for bookmarks in version 370 (yet), is that right?

I hope you'll let us know when it gets implemented.
Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

Hello, MedBooster

You are indeed correct, I am afraid that the bookmarks pane ticket has not been addressed yet. As before I cannot promise how long it will be before it finally comes around, but it is still a low priority item.

Kind regards,
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
329
User
Posts: 61
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:28 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by 329 »

I'd like to add my support for that feature.
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

Hello, 329

Thank you for the support, I have added your voice to the ticket as a requestor, so that the team can see this increasing in priority.

Kind regards,
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
329
User
Posts: 61
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:28 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by 329 »

Thanks a lot
User avatar
TrackerSupp-Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 8436
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel »

:)
Dan McIntyre - Support Technician
Tracker Software Products (Canada) LTD

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Our Web site domain and email address has changed as of 26/10/2023.
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
Support@pdf-xchange.com
MedBooster
User
Posts: 1011
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:38 pm

Re: Feature suggestion: Page number and bookmark number for Bookmarks panel

Post by MedBooster »

In the meanwhile, while we're waiting for it to be a dynamic value changing when you add/import, move or delete pages etc....

we could try adding the page number onto the bookmark name itself.
See the thread below

viewtopic.php?p=175117#p175117

Wishlist
Bookmarks with page numbers
Optional fixed small icon size in the toolbar
Shift to UNLOCK aspect ratio/i]
Allow more "toolbars" to the title bar
AltGr issues with character input and keyboard shortcuts
Post Reply