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Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Puffolino » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:52 am

Thanks for all your efforts - also to the rest of the team!

I do not use the Editor very often, but I really like it. Beside some special wishes (like selecting or searching for specific objects, as mentioned above) I only miss one simple thing: when clicking on a page within the 'Content' window, I would like to see this page in the main window as well :)

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:23 pm

Hi Puffolino,

Thanks for this latest remark. A single click will select the element in the content pane, and a double click will take you to the page. Also - if you click any of the actual objects on the page - you will again be taken to the page in question with the element highlighted.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Puffolino » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:01 am

Interesting, didn't know the double click thing, but already a single click on an object "jumps" to the page, isn't it?
A double click on a page itself expands the content tree, but doesn't show it in the main window. An single click which synchronize the main window but keeps the content tree collapsed would be cool as well :-)

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:54 am

Hello Puffolino,

A double click for me both expands the page's content tree, and takes me to the page in the main viewing area. If it does not do the same for you - can you please check if you are using build 326.1?

I will suggest the single click request - but given that a double click already does it - I can not comment on whether it will be approved.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Puffolino » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:37 pm

Stefan,
I am on 326.0 at the moment and will add the missing 0.1 as soon as possible ;-)

I saw that a double click on a page entry has synchronized the main window view some days ago, but now there's no chance to reproduce that. Wondering if there's an option I missed or it depends on other parameters (PDF file, page layout, etc.)
But the more I am testing, the more other things are found: In the document property dialog, not all form gadgets (form elements) have set a tabstop flag, that means it is impossible to jump to certain settings by using the keyboard only (for example I never get to 'Initial View/Page Layout': Ctrl+D, Down, Down, Down, Tab, Tab, Tab, Tab,....).

After having done the update to 326.1 (or will be 326.2 available within the next few days?), I repeat testing my mouse buttons :-)

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:01 pm

Hello Puffolino,

Thank for looking into the latest version, any feedback on it helps :)
While we dont plan on releasing a 326.2 build, (326.1 has been fantastically stable) we do hope to have build 327 available sometime during october.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Puffolino » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:20 am

Hey Daniel,
meantime I've installed the latest version but with no change:

Single or double click on any object selects the item and show it in the main window (this also works when holding shift or control)
Single click on a page deselects all elements in the main window, nothing else happens
Double click on a page expands/collaps the content tree, deselects all elements in the main window, and again nothing else is done in the main window.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Timur Born » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:43 am

In order for a double-click on the content tree to take you to the page you have to double-click *very* quickly. And I mean very very. Expanding a sub-tree doesn't need such fast clicking, which is why things get so confusing.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Puffolino » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:13 pm

Timur, not sure if you own 'Speedy Gonzales', but my old mouse is too slow for that trick :shock:

...so why not using the same action (a single click) as with all other objects - nobody should need mice on steroids to jump easily to a specific page. :roll:

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:05 pm

Hello Puffolino,

I must say I have never heard of a mouse that limits how fast one can double click. I myself am using a regular mouse from staples here as it feels most comfortable in my hand, but have no issues double clicking fast enough to jump to the page. To be honest, until Timur mentioned it, I didn't know it was possible to open a page via a double click without also jumping to the page (I've just been using the dropdown arrows personally).

As for why a single click action does not jump to the page, That would be because not everyone wants to jump to the page immediately upon clicking it, and a double click is the most natural way to specify that you want to follow/open/execute something.
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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by Timur Born » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:09 pm

You have to click a little bit slower than Windows' fastest possible double-click mouse control panel setting. And while I mention it, this Windows setting is respected by Editor where expanding a sub-tree is concerned, but not when switching pages. So if you set the Windows mouse double-click to its fastest setting then you can perform a double-click speed that will switch the page, but not expand the sub-tree.

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Re: Possibility to search for all elemets of a certain object type?

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:04 pm

This topic was migrated to its own from an original post here:
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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:10 am

Okay, shouldn't make more jokes about mice...

1. double click on pages: it doesn't work here. I checked by doing two clicks within 1/1000th (see below), expanding is done, nothing else.

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Procedure Click()
	mouse_event_(#MOUSEEVENTF_LEFTDOWN,0,0,0,0)
	mouse_event_(#MOUSEEVENTF_LEFTUP,0,0,0,0)
EndProcedure
veryveryshort=1 (ms)
Click()
Delay(veryveryshort)
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2. About the single click dilemma: a single click on an object also changes the main window, this could also be problem for some users - anyhow the behaviour is not consistent, which is not perfect (at least for Mr.Monk and me). Maybe an option in the preferences (or a function button in the content window) could change between "select only" and "select and synchronize" for a single click on pages and objects. I know, not the most important thing, but maybe you can think about it somewhen...

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Timur Born » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:38 am

For testing try to set Windows' double-click speed to its fastest setting. This way when you manage to expand a sub-tree you know that you clicked fast enough (even faster than enough). If you still do not see the page being displayed then something is wrong about your installation or setup. Which Windows version is this?

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:55 pm

Thanks for the suggestion Willy,

Puffolino - please do let us know if the above helps, as well as which build are you using!

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Timur Born » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:10 pm

Willy isn't here. :P

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:19 pm

Awww! My apologies Timur!!!

He had posted in a couple other topics - so I got 'carried away'!

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:57 pm

Did everything proposed, but I am sure you all know the results: no problem to do the fastest double click by my own - expanding/collapsing is done but nothing else...
...but this was clear after simulating a 1ms double click as seen above.

As I am using a portable installation, I also renamed Settings.dat before starting the editor - a lot of things changed (function bars etc.) but one thing is still the same: the double click behaviour. Next week I'll try it on another PC (Windows 10), mine has Windows 8.1. And I also did the update some days ago to have the latest version 326.1 - I also tried both 32 and 64 bit.

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:56 pm

That certainly is very odd behavior, 1ms clicks should be far faster than is necessary to jump to and open the page content.
In my tests anything around 0 - ~300ms spacing between clicks still registers as fast enough for it to respond. Is there any possibility that you have a background utility that is interfering?
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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:14 pm

Hm, don't believe so - there's nothing special on my computer, just an antivirus program (Avira) in the background, that's it...
...on monday, I'll check the portable installation with the same settings on a different PC, then we'll see if the problem has to do with my windows or my PDF XChange Editor installation.

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:30 pm

Alright, Keep us posted on anything you find. Ill keep trying to replicate the behavior over here too.
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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:01 pm

Tested my portable version using an USB memory stick on a Windows 10 PC now and the double click leads the main window to show the chosen page. The same program on my notebook (Windows 8.1) still does nothing on the main window...
...no idea what's going on, double click must be definitely recognized, otherwise the content wouldn't be updated correctly. Not sure, if the program is checking windows events, like WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK, or checking the button state directly, like GetKeyboardState(VK_LBUTTON)...
...if any further testing is needed, I'll do.

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 am

Hello Puffolino,

Thanks for sharing your findings that this works differently under Windows 8.1. I have now requested a colleague from the dev team to take a look here, and as soon as I have any further news - I will post them here.

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Vasyl-Tracker Dev Team » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:32 pm

Hi All.

We will investigate this trouble. Also about:
... A single click which synchronize the main window but keeps the content tree collapsed would be cool as well
- this behavior will also be implemented in the new build.

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:30 am

C :) :D L

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Dimitar - Tracker Supp » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:36 am

Hello Puffolino,

The next build will be available within this month, so check for updates frequently. :-)


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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Puffolino » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:08 am

Phantastic - thanks to the whole team for the marvelous support!
Thanks to the msi packages, updating of the new 327.0 release was done within few seconds - and since that even my mouse seems to smile when selecting page by page... :D

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Re: Mouse Click Questions

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:45 am

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