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Questions about File Size
I have been experiencing an issue with the PDF-XChange software. When I have a file that is several thousand pages and delete all but 1 page, the files size remains the same or even increases in size . Has anyone reported a similar problem and what was the solution?
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi terraquest,
Thanks for the post - I've just tried this with a 9000 page, 1GB file and did not experience the same issue. The file dropped to 146KB, so please make sure that you have the latest build by downloading and running the following installer:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/PDFXVE3.zip
HTH!
Thanks for the post - I've just tried this with a 9000 page, 1GB file and did not experience the same issue. The file dropped to 146KB, so please make sure that you have the latest build by downloading and running the following installer:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/PDFXVE3.zip
HTH!
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Re: Questions about File Size
Thank you for the quick reply. I am currently running version 3.0 Build 304.0. Can you confirm if this is the correct version? I have used this program many times in the past and have not had this issue either. Recently (about 1 month ago), I encountered this problem. Reinstallation does not fix this issue.
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Re: Questions about File Size
I have also tries this in PDF Xchange viewer V2.5 Build 199.0 and encountered the same issues.
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Re: Questions about File Size
The latest build of the viewer is 214
The latest build of the Editor is 307.1
Please update and try again.
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The latest build of the Editor is 307.1
Please update and try again.
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Windows 10 Home 64-bit • AMD Ryzen 5 3400G, 8 Gb
Review: http://www.softerviews.org/PDF-XChange.html
Review: http://www.softerviews.org/PDF-XChange.html
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi terraquest,
Build 304 of the Editor and build 199 of the Viewer are both extremely old builds. Build 307.1 is the latest build of the Editor and build 214.1 of the Viewer are the latest.
Please try downloading and running the following to update (it can be installed on top of the existing installation):
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
**Note: Please do not install from a locally saved copy of the installer, as that will install the same build.
If you would also like to install the latest build of the Viewer, you can download the installer here:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/PDFXVwer.zip
HTH!
Build 304 of the Editor and build 199 of the Viewer are both extremely old builds. Build 307.1 is the latest build of the Editor and build 214.1 of the Viewer are the latest.
Please try downloading and running the following to update (it can be installed on top of the existing installation):
https://www.pdf-xchange.com
**Note: Please do not install from a locally saved copy of the installer, as that will install the same build.
If you would also like to install the latest build of the Viewer, you can download the installer here:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/PDFXVwer.zip
HTH!
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Re: Questions about File Size
Thanks for the input, as always, Bhikkhu
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Re: Questions about File Size
I'm seeing the same behavior with build 307.1. I have a 180-page PDF, deleted pages 1-90, save as using a different file name and the resultant file is the exact same size. I have started using the Foxit printer driver to print to a file in order to reduce the file size.
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for the update - could you please send one of these files? If it's too large to upload here, then please see this KB article:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/knowled ... FTP-server
Cheers,
Thanks for the update - could you please send one of these files? If it's too large to upload here, then please see this KB article:
https://www.pdf-xchange.com/knowled ... FTP-server
Cheers,
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello All,
Any news on this? I just saw the same beviour: Deleted 95% of a 330 pages file and at the end the file size is nearly unchanged (31 > 29 MB). Software:
PDF-XChange Editor 6.0 317.1, Windows 7 Prof SP1 64 bit.
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Any news on this? I just saw the same beviour: Deleted 95% of a 330 pages file and at the end the file size is nearly unchanged (31 > 29 MB). Software:
PDF-XChange Editor 6.0 317.1, Windows 7 Prof SP1 64 bit.
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello,
Can you please verify if "Always use Incremental Save" is turned off in PDF-XChange Editor, via the Edit-menu > Preferences > Documents > Save Documents ? If not, the space of the deleted pages will not be liberated.
Best regards.
Can you please verify if "Always use Incremental Save" is turned off in PDF-XChange Editor, via the Edit-menu > Preferences > Documents > Save Documents ? If not, the space of the deleted pages will not be liberated.
Best regards.
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Hello Willy,
Thank you very much for the fast reply. Indeed, "Incremental Save" is not checked, so not activated.
Thank you very much for the fast reply. Indeed, "Incremental Save" is not checked, so not activated.
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Re: Questions about File Size
Probably it is also important to know if there is a difference between modifying (= delete pages) and saving the PDF on a network drive/disk or saving it on a local drive/disk.
I suppose you are actually using a work-around for this problem, by extracting the few pages that you would like to keep, instead of deleting the large range of pages that you would like to remove...
I suppose you are actually using a work-around for this problem, by extracting the few pages that you would like to keep, instead of deleting the large range of pages that you would like to remove...
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I tried to save the modified file (after deleting pages) on local drive and on network drive as well but in both cases the big file size appears.
Indeed extracting the pages works, appropriate file size, so for the moment I am satisfied but I think this issue should be fixed any way.
Indeed extracting the pages works, appropriate file size, so for the moment I am satisfied but I think this issue should be fixed any way.
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello cokolade,
Another possibility is that there are many named destinations in the file. Even if you delete pages, the destinations are not all deleted, and I have seen some unusual cases where those destinations take up a significant portion of the file's size.
When you do "Extract Pages" - a new file is created with only those pages and the information needed for that pages is copied from the original - which keeps the new file small.
If the file is not confidential and you'd like to share it - we can take a look.
Regards,
Stefan
Another possibility is that there are many named destinations in the file. Even if you delete pages, the destinations are not all deleted, and I have seen some unusual cases where those destinations take up a significant portion of the file's size.
When you do "Extract Pages" - a new file is created with only those pages and the information needed for that pages is copied from the original - which keeps the new file small.
If the file is not confidential and you'd like to share it - we can take a look.
Regards,
Stefan
Re: Questions about File Size
Thank you Stefan,
The file is not really confidential but I would prefer not to post it in a public forum. Is there a possibility to upload it directly (as mentioned the size is approx. 30 MB)
Regards
cokolade
The file is not really confidential but I would prefer not to post it in a public forum. Is there a possibility to upload it directly (as mentioned the size is approx. 30 MB)
Regards
cokolade
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello cokolade,
if you upload it somewhere (e.g. your dropbox) you can then share the link with us at support@pdf-xchange.com and we will download it and test it.
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Stefan
if you upload it somewhere (e.g. your dropbox) you can then share the link with us at support@pdf-xchange.com and we will download it and test it.
Regards,
Stefan
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello again cokolade,
Thanks for sending us the files over e-mails.
As discussed there - we managed to locate the issue and will work on fixing it.
#3608: Editor 317.1: Does not delete StructTreeRoot information properly when pages are deleted.
In the mean time please use the File -> Extract pages as a workaround!
Regards,
Stefan
Thanks for sending us the files over e-mails.
As discussed there - we managed to locate the issue and will work on fixing it.
#3608: Editor 317.1: Does not delete StructTreeRoot information properly when pages are deleted.
In the mean time please use the File -> Extract pages as a workaround!
Regards,
Stefan
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi,
Its very strange to find this old posts, yet am still having the same issue
for testing, i removed almost 90% of pages in my file, yet no change on file size,
am using PDF-XChange Editor V7 B323.2
the incremental save is unmarked
any idea, how to overcome this
Its very strange to find this old posts, yet am still having the same issue
for testing, i removed almost 90% of pages in my file, yet no change on file size,
am using PDF-XChange Editor V7 B323.2
the incremental save is unmarked
any idea, how to overcome this
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi Sepp,
Do remember that file size will not change until after saving and closing, as the original file is still kept as a backup to revert to until closing.
We've also rolled out a new build today. Build 324, could you please update to that one and let me know if you still find the issue?
We revamped the way that text embedding works, so it should drastically reduce the file size of new files. sadly it will likely not have much effect on files created prior to it, though you could try the save as optimized function and see if unembedding the fonts you arent using works on it.
Do remember that file size will not change until after saving and closing, as the original file is still kept as a backup to revert to until closing.
We've also rolled out a new build today. Build 324, could you please update to that one and let me know if you still find the issue?
We revamped the way that text embedding works, so it should drastically reduce the file size of new files. sadly it will likely not have much effect on files created prior to it, though you could try the save as optimized function and see if unembedding the fonts you arent using works on it.
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi,TrackerSupp-Daniel wrote:Hi Sepp,
Do remember that file size will not change until after saving and closing, as the original file is still kept as a backup to revert to until closing.
We've also rolled out a new build today. Build 324, could you please update to that one and let me know if you still find the issue?
We revamped the way that text embedding works, so it should drastically reduce the file size of new files. sadly it will likely not have much effect on files created prior to it, though you could try the save as optimized function and see if unembedding the fonts you arent using works on it.
i updated the version to build 324
but yet, the issue still the same, actually even it went higher by 5K,
I have removed around 400 pages of the file
attached 2 utilization analysis of the original file, and after removing the 400 pages (with normal saving after removal)
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi Sepp.
Does your file contain digital signature?
If not - please make sure you turned off incremental updates.
HTH.
Does your file contain digital signature?
If not - please make sure you turned off incremental updates.
HTH.
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi,Lzcat - Tracker Supp wrote:Hi Sepp.
Does your file contain digital signature?
If not - please make sure you turned off incremental updates.
HTH.
No digital signature there,
and incremental save is not checked (Disabled), is it what you meant by incremental update? or there is something else am missing
if required, i could share the original file with you, and you do the trial your self to test directly
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hi Sepp.
Yes, please provide your file. Attach it here or if it is confidential - please sent to support@pdf-xchange.com with link to this topic in message body.
Yes, please provide your file. Attach it here or if it is confidential - please sent to support@pdf-xchange.com with link to this topic in message body.
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thanks,Lzcat - Tracker Supp wrote:Hi Sepp.
Yes, please provide your file. Attach it here or if it is confidential - please sent to support@pdf-xchange.com with link to this topic in message body.
file sent to your email
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Re: Questions about File Size
Thanks, we got it, and its been passed down the chain!
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Re: Questions about File Size
Hello all,
Just a quick update that we've found the problem and it will be fixed in the next major build release of our product (325).
Cheers,
Stefan
Just a quick update that we've found the problem and it will be fixed in the next major build release of our product (325).
Cheers,
Stefan
Re: Questions about File Size
I too always scratch my head with how the Editor handles file sizes, I've basically just written it off as being completely broken.
For example, I have a 50MB PDF, I go into "resize pages" and change the paper size to "10%" of the original size, now they are very tiny.... I save it and the PDF is still 50MBs???
If you reduce something to 1/10th the size I would expect the file size to also be reduced at around that.
EDIT: Same thing goes with cropping, If I have a single page, and crop 90% of it, the file size remains the same, the logic just isn't there.
For example, I have a 50MB PDF, I go into "resize pages" and change the paper size to "10%" of the original size, now they are very tiny.... I save it and the PDF is still 50MBs???
If you reduce something to 1/10th the size I would expect the file size to also be reduced at around that.
EDIT: Same thing goes with cropping, If I have a single page, and crop 90% of it, the file size remains the same, the logic just isn't there.
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Nonetheless, its coming, we've just got to hold on tight!
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Hi Special.Special wrote:I too always scratch my head with how the Editor handles file sizes, I've basically just written it off as being completely broken.
For example, I have a 50MB PDF, I go into "resize pages" and change the paper size to "10%" of the original size, now they are very tiny.... I save it and the PDF is still 50MBs???
If you reduce something to 1/10th the size I would expect the file size to also be reduced at around that.
EDIT: Same thing goes with cropping, If I have a single page, and crop 90% of it, the file size remains the same, the logic just isn't there.
I'm afraid that your expectations is completely wrong.
PDF is VECTOR format, so when you resize pages you just change declared page size, along with scale coefficients so page content fit new page size. If you than resize pages to previous size you will see that page was not changed and has same quality.
Same with cropping pages - you don't cut off all that is on the page, but just change which part of page will be visible. However when cropping pages you may specify "Remove the content outside of the crop box area" option, in that case some content will be removed, but again, do not expect that file size will be reduced proportionally.
If you want to reduce file size - please use File->Save As Optimized ant try different settings there.
HTH.
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