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Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by andy poulsen » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:57 pm

Hi,

I need to convert some PDFs to black and white (alternatively I could print directly to a B/W pdf), but haven't found an option to do that. I also didn't find anything here on the forum about how to do it.

I know I can select every text item and change its color, but when I tried doing that to one document, the text properties seemed to change as well, as the appearance was a bit different.

It seems to me that this should be a simple thing to do, and I must be missing something. Help, please! :)

Thanks!

andy

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by RMan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:17 pm

Try the Document->Convert Colors menus then choose the Black and White profile for the Conversion Profile and see how that works.

You might end up getting some gray colors I think if object had transparency.
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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by andy poulsen » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:34 pm

Thanks for the reply -- I had missed the "Convert Colors" option!

However, when I open that screen, I don't have a "Black and White" option -- mine looks like this:
ConvertColorsDialog.jpg
I'm a bit puzzled because I don't have anything related to Canon HDTV...

The "Grey Gamma 2.2" option *does* give me a grayscale document, which is an improvement, but still not quite the B/W that I'm looking for.

Any other thoughts?

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:06 pm

Hello Andy,

the options available in this list are based on the .icc color profiles that are present in your Windows installation. the Black & White option that Rman is seeing, is likely present due to one of the devices that he has connected or installed on the PC in the past, but unfortunately is not a "default" profile with windows. I also do not have a Black & white color profile on my PC, so my dialog looks much like yours, whereas one of my coworkers has so many options that there is a scrollbar in this dropdown menu.

To acquire a Black and white color profile, you will need to locate a Black & White color profile and place it into:

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C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\color
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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by andy poulsen » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:15 pm

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for the reply. Wouldn't it make sense for a B/W profile to be included by default? Seems like something that a lot of people could benefit from, even if you're not hearing from them...

Also, is there a way to configure the PDF X-Change printer to print in B/W?

Thanks!

andy

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:30 pm

Hello Andy,

These default profiles are provided by Windows and you hardware devices that may be installed, we have no direct control over which are present, but are instead taking advantage of what is available. Unfortunately this means that we cannot add in additional items to this list ourselves.

You can set the Standard Printer to convert images to B&W but none of the other content can be handled like that.
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With that said, you can setup the Editor to use a monochrome or Greyscale Color override when printing to any printer, from the "Advanced print options > More" menu:
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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by andy poulsen » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:57 pm

Thank you for the additional information. That helps! I didn't know about the color override option, so that's a good one to know!

Yes, I had discovered the option to convert images, but was hoping there would be an option to convert text to grayscale and B/W.

Any chance this option can be implemented in the future?

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:28 pm

Hello Andy,

There is a chance, although I cannot say it is a large one. As the color information stored in objects like text, annotations and the like is specifically for a digital format, it is usually preferred to keep the color information as it offers increased fidelity compared to less colorful alternatives. You can always choose monochrome or greyscale when printing, so there is no real benefit in removing color from the PDF version of a documents.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by RMan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:13 pm

I'll agree but some government agencies I believe still spec that CAD PDF files should be submitted in monochrome.

It would be really nice if instead of using an icc file if there was just a monochrome or grayscale option.

It looks like my icc file was likely installed by an Adobe product but not sure which one.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:58 pm

Hello Rman,

It appears that a Gray gamma profile comes default with windows (having just finished installing windows on a new device), so that should always be available, nonetheless, as the convert colors function relies on having a color profile to convert to, we cannot offer a simple "monochrome" or "greyscale" option directly. If greyscale is needed using the grey gamma option should serve well. If monochrome is specifically needed, the print dialog's color override function should serve.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by rah » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:48 pm

I had a user bring me a PDF of a CAD file drawn in yellow, green and sky blue. Looks fine on a black background but pretty problematic on a white one.

I didn't find a black and white color profile on my system either but I checked a few other PCs and found one installed.

I did some research and found that color profiles are stored as *.icc files. I did a search of the C: drive and found a number of these files, one of them being "BlackWhite.icc". There were actually 3 identical copies, two in Adobe Acrobat 10.0 subdirectories and one in

C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color

To test, I copied "BlackWhite.icc" to the "C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color" subdirectory on my PC. Then I restarted PDF-XChange Editor and now I had a "Black & White" profile available.

To convert the PDF, all I had to do is select Convert - Convert Colors from the main menu in PDF-XChange. The only change in the Convert Colors screen I made was to select the "Black & White" conversion profile and hit "OK".

So the tedious part of this process is that you have to find an installation of Adobe Reader 10 or download and install it so you can copy the .icc file.

Honestly, I think Tracker could pretty easily make this a part of the install process and save users a lot of messing around.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by RMan » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:22 pm

Unfortunately the Adobe BlackWhite.icc is copyright protected by Adobe and not included in the icc files that they would allow other software developers to redistribute from what I found in my quick research.

And Adobe only installs it with the full Acrobat, not with the Reader I believe.

Hopefully someday Tracker will look into having someone create an equivalent icc profile to include with their product to solve the problem for all users. It would be really great to have a simple grayscale and monochrome conversion options and not even have to worry about icc files so it would just work for all users.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:50 pm

Hello all,

RMan is correct here, until a day comes when we can spend the resources to develop our own ICC profiles we can only offer what Windows has readily available.
For the time being, The method rah suggested, in copying the profiles manually, is indeed the best method to do this.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by Timur Born » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:30 pm

Or use the "Accessibility" options of Editor, which can turn everything into black & white except images. It does not turn colored line art into different grayscales, though.

This would also allow you to simply turn the white background to black, gray or whatever helps to discern your colored lines.

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Re: Convert to Black and White (or print in B/W)

Post by Will - Tracker Supp » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:53 am

Thanks Timur - that's a good tip! :)
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