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pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by marcin19545 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:52 am

Hi,

I use one of wacom pen tablet (intous pro) , when i'm using pencil tool (free hand) in pdf x-change editor after i finish my drawing all lines are automatically smoothed.

How do i can control its curvature and smooth level? Can i could turn it off to get all lines as i draw them?



My os is win10

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Willy Van Nuffel » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:18 am

Hello,

A similar question was posted more than one and a half year ago:
http://www.tracker-software.com/forum3/ ... 84&p=96285

On 7/12/2015, it was promised to "... bring this up to the attention of our devs ...", but since then there was no more news.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Will - Tracker Supp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:19 am

Hi guys,

Unfortunately we've heard nothing more that I can find, but I've put in another request for this.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:45 am

Hello, first post here. Love the software but the smoothing makes hand annotation unusable past a certain amount of zoom. Other software don't do it.
I use Xchange Editor for everything except for switching to Foxit when it comes to pencil annotations and placing signatures with a certificate (second issue is unrelated to the smoothing)

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Patrick-Tracker Supp » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:56 am

Hi ziopaper2,

Welcome to our forums.
the smoothing makes hand annotation unusable past a certain amount of zoom.
Could you please describe what you mean? In my tests, I see that certain lines become perfectly straight instead of containing the subtle curve one would expect from e.g. a handwritten "r". Is this what you are referring to?

Regarding this:
placing signatures with a certificate (second issue is unrelated to the smoothing)
Could you please post some details in a new topic regarding this issue as well as your reason for switching to Foxit for this operations?

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:05 am

Hi Patrick, thanks for the quick reply.
Regarding the smoothing, yes. I zoom in to draw electrical symbols and they are smoothed to a level that I do not want. The other users described this accurately, both in this page and at http://www.tracker-software.com/forum3/ ... 84&p=96285

If you zoom to 1200%, most drawings are completely deformed and can't be used. At 600%, the smoothing is somehow less, but still the symbols I draw look completely different than what I would like. This I think could be a feature that the user should be able to activate or not, or even better select how much smoothing is applied.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Will - Tracker Supp » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:42 am

Hi ziopaper2,

Thanks for the post - I've made a note to bring this up our next support meeting. We do have quite an old feature request ticket for this, so I've re-opened that too. The ticket number is RT-399, for those interested.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Willy Van Nuffel » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:27 pm

Just for an additional info:

1) With PDF-XChange Editor V6 you can have a line thickness for the Pencil comment tool of just 0,1 pt whereas in Adobe Reader DC and Foxit Reader 8.14 the minimum is 1 pt (or more).

2) I did a test by drawing a first letter "W" with the pencil tool in Foxit Reader (see attachment).
After that I added three more letters at the right of it, on the hand of PDF-XChange Editor.

You can see that I do not succeed to make something that resembles the first "W" made with Foxit Reader.
The smoothing is somewhat too pronounced in PDF-XChange Editor.
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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:26 pm

adding to Willy's file, see attached.
I was trying to draw the symbol of an inductor, letter G, number 6 and letter S
First is done with Foxit, 2nd with Xchange.

I am using a tablet pen, not the mouse

Thank you - I appreciate that you guys participate and listen to our feedback
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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Patrick-Tracker Supp » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:58 pm

Hi Guys,

The ticket RT#399 was created in 2010. This feature was intended for implementation for V3 (initial release of the Editor) but never made it to the publicly available releases.

With the increasing popularity and availability of touch screen devices and styluses, it is obvious that this is a crucial function which needs to be fixed or modified as soon as possible. As such, I have elevated the priority of this ticket.

Thank you all for resurrecting this. I suspect it is affecting a great many of our users.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by sjleejf » Sat May 20, 2017 1:19 am

Hi Patrick,

Any news about implementing the ability to turn off pencil smoothing?

For me, I love the software, but the forced pencil smoothing is really frustrating.

At least give us the option to turn off this functionality.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Will - Tracker Supp » Mon May 22, 2017 11:00 am

Hi sjleejf,

Thanks for the post - As I'm given to understand, it's still planned, but I don't have any info. on when just yet.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Mon May 22, 2017 11:35 am

Hi Guys,

Please try the settings from the attached file. It contains two reg files.
The normal smoothing level is 100%, and the other file if double clicked will set the smoothing to 30% only - which should allow for a better result when using the pencil tool for e.g. writing.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by sjleejf » Mon May 22, 2017 1:19 pm

Hi Stefan,

Thanks a bunch for the files! It's certainly a lot better than before. ^^

1. Is there a way to turn off the smoothing effect completely?
2. After I have applied the 30% smoothing, when I draw a line with a pencil, the line gets shrunk down a little. I think this is an unintended bug. Right?

Thanks a lot.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Tue May 23, 2017 9:23 am

Hello sjleejf,

You can open the .reg file in e.g. notepad - and change the value from 30 to a smaller number - and experiment if that produces any better results for you.
As for the shrinking - I will need to run some tests here at my end and see if I can reproduce it. Just to make sure - please check that you are at build 322.4 - to make sure that this shrinking issue is not already resolved in a later build!

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:17 pm

much better! at 800% zoom it looks pretty good!
thank you

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:30 pm

Glad to hear that ziopaper2!!!

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by RLM » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:33 pm

I have the same problem on a new Surface Pro (2017) with the Surface stylus. My handwriting is altered to the point of being unreadable. I tried a bunch of different setting for the registry keys, but the are all ignored. In fact, the keys are deleted by PDF-XChange Editor as soon as the program loads. OTOH, my handwriting looks good on my other pen apps in Windows 10 and on my iPad, and when using my Wacom tablet on anther computer.

I really wanted to be able to take notes on my pdf journal articles, but this is currently impossible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Willy Van Nuffel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:24 pm

Can you please verify if you are working with the latest release of PDF-XChange Editor, namely Version 6.0 (build 322.4).

You can easily check this via the Help-menu > About.

With this version myself I do not see a problem (on my laptop) and the registry key remains after closing and restarting the Editor.
I can not tell you if the pen is "press sensitive" (I can not simulate this on my laptop).

You can always find the latest versions of Tracker Software via their product downloads page:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by RLM » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:24 pm

Yes, then latest: 6.0/322.4

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:27 am

Hello RLM,

Thanks for confirming you have build 322.4.
Can you please try to set the registry value while the editor is closed down - and see if this reg entry sticks after an editor start and consecutive stop. (It should and if it doesn't then maybe something else is also altering the registry - e.g. your Antivirus)

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by RLM » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:53 pm

Yes, this did work. Apparently the Editor writes its current settings when it closes down, overwriting my registry edit. On my Surface Pro, a setting of 10 (decimal) seems to work best. Not as good as OneNote, but MUCH better than before. Thanks for you help!

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Patrick-Tracker Supp » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:46 pm

Hi RLM,

I am glad this is working better for you now. We are working on further improvements to handwriting in PDF.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:16 pm

Hello,

this seams not to be working on 322.7

Can you confirm?

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Willy Van Nuffel » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:02 pm

1) Myself, I can NOT confirm.
I do not have a tablet computer, but when I draw lines with the pencil tool while the InkSmoothLevel been set to 30 pct, I still see a much better behavior on my laptop screen, than when the InkSmoothLevel has been set to 100 pct.
You know that you must change this level while PDF-XChange Editor is closed.
I am using the most recent PDF-XChange Editor V6, build 322.7

N.B.: I see that the concerning Windows Registry key is not there by default in a totally fresh installation.
So maybe you have to re-apply this key on the hand of the REG-file (PencilSmoothLevel30perc.reg) included in the ZIP-file here above.

2) An other thing that can make a difference, when zooming in to lines that have been drawn with the pencil tool, is the "line thickness" switch.
You can switch the line thickness via CTRL + 5 (on the normal keyboard).
When you zoom in to max. 6400% you should clearly see a difference when you toggle this switch.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:30 pm

I applied the register tweak with the software closed. I do not see any changes. In a previous version (and different PC) the improvement was obvious

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:42 pm

my bad, I was using the portable version. I am installing the regular version now. Most likely it will be ok

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Willy Van Nuffel » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:12 pm

Just what I still thought to ask: portable version or 64-bit ?
Myself, having done the test with the regular version 32-bit (PDF-XChange Editor V6, build 322.7).

Normally, the regular version 64-bit should work the same way as the regular 32-bit, whereas I am not sure for the portable version(s).

Maybe, Tracker Software Development can tell us something more about the synchronizing of changes/modifications between the regular and the portable versions of PDF-XChange Editor.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by ziopaper2 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:20 pm

I am still hoping to see this implemented as adjustable without registry tweak, especially without closing the software.
The 30% works great when the pdf is zoomed in, as soon as you zoom out you need more smoothing otherwise the notes look shaky

Tracker Software Development team, please.

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Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:53 pm

Hello ziopaper2,

Thanks for your feedback. I am afraid that at the moment we are focusing on finalizing V7.0 of our products, and this one has been dropped a bit in priority.
Please bear with us while we prepare the new version and I will then bring this back up for discussion on one of the meetings!

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by toe78 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:06 pm

Hello

I would like to support the arguments in favour of an option to disable pen smoothing.

I would even go further. It should not be an option hidden in some menubar. There should be an explicit pen commenting tool without any smoothing, but with pressure-sensitivity. It should offer the same functionality as Windows Ink.

Smoothing simply makes no sense whatsover when you want to review a document in a professional way. You have to be able to comment by handwriting like you would on paper. Otherwise, PDF X-Change does not qualify as a modern PDF-tablet-compatible software, in my point of view.

I deem this option to be much more important than any ribbon design. It should be on the Top-Priority list of your software development.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by Patrick-Tracker Supp » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:46 pm

Hello toe78,

Thank you for your post and welcome to our forums! We appreciate the feedback. Currently, the pen smoothing adjustments are indeed hidden - this will not change for the next build release, however. I've just spoken to the dev team and they have informed me of their plans to completely redesign the pencil tool for pressure sensitivity and custom smoothing. It is a rather large project that should, as you aptly put it, vastly improve the Editor's validity as a "modern PDF-tablet-compatible software".

The PDF standards have not changed much since they were released to the public domain in mid-90's, and have remained totally unchanged since 2008 under PDF Standard 1.7. With the introduction of PDF Standard 2.0, many previously impossible functions could be developed in future versions. PDF 2.0 is still rather new, and changes will be gradual to ensure backwards compatibility across the PDF industry. As pdfa.org put it "PDF 2.0 will make it easier for developers to create tools to manage electronic documents with more and better features..." https://www.pdfa.org/what-will-pdf-2-0-bring/

Pencil tool improvements are some of the first changes taking shape in PDF-XChange Editor with regards to the updated standards.

Once again, I thank you for your voice on the matter. I have already let the dev team know just so that they are aware that this is something our users are still actively seeking.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by toe78 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:31 am

Hello

Thanks a lot for your very quick and informative answer. I am glad you consider it a high priority feature.

Looking forward to the next version with pen support.

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by sjleejf » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:39 am

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your kind explanation.

Looking forward to the update. ^^

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Post by Tracker Supp-Stefan » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:29 am

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by astrae_tech » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:18 am

Hi,

Any updates on the better pen management in XChange? Can't wait to fully switch to it in my workflow.

Thank you!

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by sjleejf » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:31 pm

I am also eagerly awaiting the update about the pen. ^^

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Re: pencil tool - turning off smoothing

Post by TrackerSupp-Daniel » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Thank you for the inquiry, With each iteration we are adding more functionality to our tools.
This in particular is a very large undertaking, and we cannot guarantee a fast implementation, as such we are phasing each tweak into releases as they are ready. However do know that, as always, we are striving to get you the features you want, as quickly as we can.
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