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- Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:10 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Removing menu "Accessibility" from Toolbar "Menu" SOLVED
- Replies: 1
- Views: 7339
Removing menu "Accessibility" from Toolbar "Menu" SOLVED
Hello, when using PDFXChange Editor 10.1, I can remove the menu "Accessibility" from the toolbar "Menu" by dragging it to the dialog "Customize Toolbar". Is there any way to do the same programmatically using the SDK? I could not find anything in the FullDemo. Regards, ...
- Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:25 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: German Translation for "Quick Access" and "Quick Tools" is "Schnellzugriff"
- Replies: 1
- Views: 198
German Translation for "Quick Access" and "Quick Tools" is "Schnellzugriff"
Hello, in the SDK issue https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?t=40816 I stumbled upon the fact that the command bars "Quick Access" and "Quick Tools" are both translated as "Schnellzugriff" into German. Schnellzugriff.png This is confusing. As a native speaker in ...
- Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:49 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Disable Quick Access Command Bar SOLVED
- Replies: 3
- Views: 9556
Re: Disable Quick Access Command Bar SOLVED
I think I was lost in translation there. I was looking to disable the command bar "Schnellzugriff", which translates into Englisch as "Quick Access", but apparently it is called "Quick Tools" in the english version. Schnellzugriff.png It all works, when I use... ShowCmd...
- Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:06 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Image much darker after stamp (PNG, BMP, GIF, TIFF) annotation is exported and imported via XFDF SOLVED
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1423
Re: Image much darker after stamp (PNG, BMP, GIF, TIFF) annotation is exported and imported via XFDF SOLVED
I just re-tested this using PDF-Change Editor Plus version 10.1.0 (build 380). It seems to work with all images of the test data provided. Can you confirm?
- Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:46 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Disable Quick Access Command Bar SOLVED
- Replies: 3
- Views: 9556
Disable Quick Access Command Bar SOLVED
Hello, I have tried disabling the Command Bar "Quick Access" using ShowCmdBar("cmdbar.quickAccess", false) I am not getting any error, but nothing happens. I tried looking at the full demo ( https://github.com/tracker-software/PDFEditorSDKExamples/tree/master/CSharp ), but unfort...
- Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:26 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Re: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
Hello Daniel,
great to hear that we are on the same page.
At the moment, we are even considering rolling back to PdfXChange Editor 9.1 (SDK).
It would be helpful if we knew an approximate date when this issue should be fixed.
Regards
great to hear that we are on the same page.
At the moment, we are even considering rolling back to PdfXChange Editor 9.1 (SDK).
It would be helpful if we knew an approximate date when this issue should be fixed.
Regards
- Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:32 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Re: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
I see exactly the same in my Adobe Pro but I will ask our developers to have a look at this case. Hello Dimitar, we really love PdfXChange Editor, because it is actually better than the alternative from Adobe. Leaving aside that PDFXChange Editor is much faster, one of the most important advantages...
- Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:54 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Re: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
That's true. I just tried it with version 2023.001.20143:Willy Van Nuffel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:38 am The print preview in Ad*be Acr*bat Reader seems to be correct.
- Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:17 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Re: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
I am making exactly the same observations when using PdfXChange Editor 10.0.1 (Build 371), i.e. there is no difference, from my point of view, to anything I see when using 9.5, build 368: 1. Printing still does not work correctly: Test Document-Printed-10.0.1.pdf 2. "Comment" -> "Flat...
- Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:39 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Re: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
I forgot to mention: The effect I get when printing looks exactly the same as "Comment"->"Flatten" (again using 9.5, build 368): Flatten-Comments-9.5.png I get the same result with version 9.1 (Build 356.0) when I try "Flatten", although printing (of the "unflatten...
- Thu Aug 31, 2023 8:16 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1458
Printing of certain Annotations above Text does not work SOLVED
I am using PdfXChange Editor 9.5 (Build 368.0). When I use a PDF with text and some annotations above the text ( Test Document.pdf ) PDFXChange displays everything correctly: Viewed-9.5.png But if I try to print it, the preview in the print dialog looks wrong, with respect to the Layers above the Te...
- Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:29 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Render only one document
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8870
Re: Render only one document
A while ago we found the cause of our problem: We were setting the zoom more than once, which resulted in a repaint for the document displayed and thus caused the white flicker in between displayed documents. PDFXChange was not the cause of the problem and its rendering performance is awesome - as a...
- Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:06 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Image much darker after stamp (PNG, BMP, GIF, TIFF) annotation is exported and imported via XFDF SOLVED
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1423
Image much darker after stamp (PNG, BMP, GIF, TIFF) annotation is exported and imported via XFDF SOLVED
I have the following use case: 1. Open the test.pdf (see attached) with PDFXChange Editor Plus 9.1 build 356.0 2. "Add Image ..." using the attached PNG, TIFF, BMP or GIF file as a stamp annotation. 3. Export the stamp annotation to an XFDF file (resulting XFDFs also attached). 4. Import t...
- Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:16 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Annotations within innerDocWindowRect
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2051
Re: Annotations within innerDocWindowRect
Alternatively: It would be sufficient for us to find out the upper left and lower right corners (as PDF coordinates with respect to the PDF currently displayed) of what is currently visible for the user.
- Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:28 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Annotations within innerDocWindowRect
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2051
Annotations within innerDocWindowRect
Hello,
I would like to find out which PDF annotations are visible (to the user) within the innerDocWindowRect.
Best regards,
Andreas
I would like to find out which PDF annotations are visible (to the user) within the innerDocWindowRect.
Best regards,
Andreas
- Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:26 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: PDF coordinates for mouse double click
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1846
PDF coordinates for mouse double click
Hello,
I would like to find out the PDF coordinates of the position where the user performed a mouse double click.
Best regards,
Andreas
I would like to find out the PDF coordinates of the position where the user performed a mouse double click.
Best regards,
Andreas
- Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:45 am
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Re: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello again,
any information on my questions above?
Regards,
Andreas
any information on my questions above?
Regards,
Andreas
- Tue May 18, 2021 3:24 pm
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Re: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello again,
I was just wondering, if you missed my question above from two weeks ago.
Any advice regarding my question on blocking/non-blocking behaviour?
Regards
AnKeilha
I was just wondering, if you missed my question above from two weeks ago.
Any advice regarding my question on blocking/non-blocking behaviour?
Regards
AnKeilha
- Mon May 03, 2021 11:38 am
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Re: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello Paul, I have done some basic evaluation of PDF-Tools. Using something like the following: PDFXTools /RunTool:showui=no;showprog=no;showrep=no {03CACFFE-591C-484F-8AEFD0E9001B0851} C:\Temp\Input-12345678.pdf where {03CACFFE-591C-484F-8AEFD0E9001B0851} is the GUID of my Image-Export Tool created...
- Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:46 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: XFDF-Exports of Stamp-Annotations Sometimes Grow to Huge Sizes
- Replies: 1
- Views: 379
XFDF-Exports of Stamp-Annotations Sometimes Grow to Huge Sizes
Hello, when we use stamps in PdfXChange-Editor V7 (Build 328.2) via the SDK or in the standalone application, we sporadically encounter cases in which XFDF exports grow to huge sizes of up to serveral hundred MBs for a single stamp. This is despite the fact that the stamp we created ourselves is onl...
- Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:53 am
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Re: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello Paul, thanks for the reply. What we need is something that we could use as a microservice for converting PDFs to TIFF. Preferebly something that can be accessed via a REST service and runs on Linux. But MS Windows is not a deal breaker. Can we run PDF-Tools as a service on Windows? Can it be a...
- Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:18 pm
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Re: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello again,
I am a little bit surprised that I did not get any answer so far.
Should I buy the PDF-Tool SDK?
Regards,
AnKeilha
I am a little bit surprised that I did not get any answer so far.
Should I buy the PDF-Tool SDK?
Regards,
AnKeilha
- Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:23 pm
- Forum: PDF-Tools SDK (all our PDF DLL Libraries)
- Topic: Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
- Replies: 8
- Views: 14388
Converting large number of PDFs to TIFF SOLVED
Hello, I would like to convert a large number of PDFs to TIFF, while making sure that the generated TIFFs look exactly like they would look in the PdfXChange-Editor. I would prefer to run it on a Unix/Linux-Server, but a Windows server would be possible as well. Is the PDF-Tool SDK the right product...
- Fri May 29, 2020 7:35 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2165
Re: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
Is there any news on this issue?
- Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:11 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
I just tested this with a standalone PDFXChange-Editor (Version 8.0 336). We still have to test it using the SDK, but I assume that it will work just as well. Thanks.
- Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:31 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2165
Re: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
Just to clarify: I see the same behaviour no matter what I use (ordinary PdfXChange-Editor or the embedded PdfXChange-Editor using the SDK). That is why I originally posted this in the end user forum.
- Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:56 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2165
Re: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
Hello Daniel,
yes, I am using version 8.0.333.0. The behaviour is the same for the standalone PdfXChange-Editor and for our embedded PdfXChange-Editor (using the SDK).
Kind regards,
AnKeilha
yes, I am using version 8.0.333.0. The behaviour is the same for the standalone PdfXChange-Editor and for our embedded PdfXChange-Editor (using the SDK).
Kind regards,
AnKeilha
- Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:34 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2165
Temporary Files for PDFs from URL are extremely long when using "send by Email"
Hello, when we are opening a file from our internal Content-Manager this URL has a bunch of parameters. When we try "send by Email" of the PDF from PDFXChange Editor the following temporary file is created: pdfx-{9A7FD14A-3A1D-4085-AC9C3F4BC826580B}\A1001001A29J29B45959D19641.pdf order=ret...
- Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:44 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Empty Folders in AppData\Local\Temp\PDFXEdit.SDK are not deleted
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1665
Re: Empty Folders in AppData\Local\Temp\PDFXEdit.SDK are not deleted
Is there a ticket (i.e. RT#) for this?
- Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:58 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
Hello Daniel,
in your test, did you try the XFDF file that is attached to this bug (see above or here... )?
Please, do not confuse it with the other bug that had to do with new lines in the rich-text content.
Regards,
Andreas
in your test, did you try the XFDF file that is attached to this bug (see above or here... )?
Please, do not confuse it with the other bug that had to do with new lines in the rich-text content.
Regards,
Andreas
- Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:21 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
Hello Stefan, I know that https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=32795&p=134552#p134551 is marked as resolved. I marked it myself. :? On the other hand, a few minutes ago, I tested this bug (i.e. "Newline breaks XFDF-import") with V8 build 333 and the problem still pers...
- Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:25 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
But T# 4804 was fixed with build 332 according to your release notes: https://www.pdf-xchange.com/produc ... #8.0.332.0
- Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:13 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
So, my main questions from above are:
Sould this bug be fixed with V8 build 332 from your point of view?
Or are you still working on a fix (RT#4804)?
Sould this bug be fixed with V8 build 332 from your point of view?
Or are you still working on a fix (RT#4804)?
- Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:59 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
According to https://www.pdf-xchange.com/produc ... #8.0.332.0 the Issue T# 4804 has been fixed. Does this bug/tracking number really refer to this bug? I tested it today with V8 build 332 and it still seems to be broken. On the other hand, a different issue having to do with new lines and rich text...
- Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:46 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2483
Re: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
According to https://www.pdf-xchange.com/produc ... #8.0.332.0 the Issue T# 4804 has been fixed. I tested it myself today and it seems to work.
- Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:01 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Opening a PDF from an URL does not work with parameters
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1481
Re: Opening a PDF from an URL does not work with parameters
Hello Will, thanks for the quick response. Firstly, here's is what I am doing to reproduce this on my end (nothing fancy): 1. Open PDF-XChange Editor V8 (build 332) 2. Click on "File" -> "Open From" -> "URL..." 3. Enter the following URL in the pop-up dialog "Open ...
- Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:18 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Opening a PDF from an URL does not work with parameters
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1481
Opening a PDF from an URL does not work with parameters
Hello, I am using PDF-XChange Editor V8 (build 332). When I use "File" -> "Open From" -> "URL..." with https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/testfiles/resources/pdf/dummy.pdf everything works as expected. But when I use a URL with parameters e.g. https://www.w3.org/WAI/...
- Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:51 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
Hello again,
just as reminder/caveat: We are using Ctrl instead of Inst because we have to control two separate OLE-embedded PDFXChange-Editors within the same process.
Regards,
Andreas
just as reminder/caveat: We are using Ctrl instead of Inst because we have to control two separate OLE-embedded PDFXChange-Editors within the same process.
Regards,
Andreas
- Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:12 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
Well, is there any API call that would release the operating system's resources (close() does not work)? As mentioned above using ctrl.Doc() is something we have to do for various reasons.
- Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:14 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2483
Re: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
Hello Daniel, there is an additional caveat of this workaround if you are trying to be downwards compatible to the old PdfViewer/PdfViewer SDK: The PdfViewer does not interpret the br-tags as newlines. For this you need to use " ". In our case this means that we have to substitute ...
- Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:38 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
BTW: The above testing was done using PDFXChange Editor SDK 8.0, build 331.0
- Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:31 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
Hello Alex, we've created a simple program that uses SWTs OleFrame to embed the PDFXChangeEditor. We are using JDK 1.8.0_161 to run it: GDILeakTester.zip To actually be able to run it, you would also need some generated classes which are part of our project and are therefore confidential. I hope tha...
- Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:45 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2483
Re: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
As this functionality is quite important to us, I did some more digging: 1. The original exported.xfdf (with " " in it) seems to work fine when I import it into the "good", old Adobe Reader 11. 2. When I use line breaks in Adobe Reader 11, they use "
" f...
- Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:42 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
Another maybe important information is that the number of GDI objects keeps rising, when displaying new PDFs. When we have one embedded PDFXChangeEditor and open a new document via the said method (API function OpenDocFromPath()), at least one new GDI object seems to be created. We used the nice too...
- Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:37 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2483
Newline in richtext annotations are removed after reimporting SOLVED
Hello, I am using version 8.0, build 331.0 of the standalone PDFXChange-Editor (the same problem also occurs, when I use the SDK): When using the typewriter-tool, textbox-tool, callout-tool or the sticky-note-tool and newline are used in the text content like so Screenshot-Annotations-correct.png ev...
- Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:09 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: accumulation of handles
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2956
Re: accumulation of handles
Hi Alex, the Java Garbage Collector can only collect what is not referenced by another Object. That doesn't change when GC is called automatically by the JVM or it is triggered via the Java code using a System.gc()-call. We close the IPXV_Document by using Close(). It doesn't matter, which PXV_DocCl...
- Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:54 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor
- Topic: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6178
Re: Newline breaks XFDF-import SOLVED
Hello Paul,
I repeated the same test as above using version 8.0 build 331.0 and - unfortunately - got the same result:
Regards,
AnKeilha
I repeated the same test as above using version 8.0 build 331.0 and - unfortunately - got the same result:
Regards,
AnKeilha
- Fri May 31, 2019 6:41 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Setting Default Zoom to "Fit Page" SOLVED
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1116
Setting Default Zoom to "Fit Page" SOLVED
Hello,
we are using PagesView.DefaultZoom to set the default zoom as a percentage or 0 for "Fit width". We are still struggling to set "Fit page" as the default zoom.
Is there any way to set "Fit page" as the default zoom
Regards,
AnKeilha
we are using PagesView.DefaultZoom to set the default zoom as a percentage or 0 for "Fit width". We are still struggling to set "Fit page" as the default zoom.
Is there any way to set "Fit page" as the default zoom
Regards,
AnKeilha
- Fri May 31, 2019 6:35 am
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Zoomfaktor for OpenDocFromPath
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2970
Re: Zoomfaktor for OpenDocFromPath
Hello Alex, so far nothing we tried had any effect whatsoever. We are still working on it though and will give you some feedback on Monday. Meanwhile I will put the thing about DefaultZoom in a different post as this would be interesting for us in any case (see https://forum.pdf-xchange.com/viewtopi...
- Wed May 29, 2019 12:34 pm
- Forum: PDF-XChange Editor SDK
- Topic: Zoomfaktor for OpenDocFromPath
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2970
Re: Zoomfaktor for OpenDocFromPath
Hello, we have a good workaround for this. Directly before we open the pdf we can use PagesView.DefaultZoom to set the default zoom as a percentage or 0 for "Fit width". This way we do not really need to use opendocparams. We are still struggling to set "Fit page" as the default ...